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• Posted by Travis Williams
Comedy, Chaos, Creativity, Competition…and Community. Those are the five C’s that govern PAIN’s development process. At times that last C really makes me nervous. I think it’s because I have to make decisions and then come back and vet them with you all. Sometimes those choices are awesome (PAINLabs). Occasionally they are less so (Online multiplayer delays). Sometimes they are both. Like today. So lets get that bad news out of the way… 

The Bad News
Amusement Park will release in September, but not 9-4 like we originally planned. The reason for this delay was at least in part due to our retooling the PlayStation®Network trophies. 

The Good News
When I posted the trophies on the Official Blog there was a fair amount of hoopla about the difficulty of the trophies. The hoopla over them caused us to change one trophy immediately (Harder Dicks Balls) from Bronze to Silver. Then we went about making the final version. 

While we were testing it became apparent to quite a few people that although the trophies were achievable they began to resemble the tedious level grinds in MMOs and not the spoils for being good (or experienced) at PAIN. So that 5th C was staring me in the face again. 

See Travis, they told you this on the blog. Whatcha gonna do? 

So when you tell people that you listen to them, you need to try to mean it. 

So we thought rather than making people play PAIN for the trophies, it might be a better idea to let people play PAIN because it’s REALLY FUN and let the earned trophies come from that experience. If you collect the majority of these trophies in PAIN there is no doubt you know how to play well and that’s more important than you spending your life playing PAIN. That’s my job. You’re supposed to be having fun. 

What follows are the brand new trophy requirements for Downtown and the Amusement Park. Adjusted for “normal” PAIN players and not all the mutants that are on the top 10 list. 

GOLD TROPHIES

  • King of Pain: Get All Downtown Trophies plus Trill and Grenade-a-Maid  
  • Affliction Addiction: Get One 100 Million Points in Downtown (Change from 1 Billion) 

SILVER TROPHIES

  • Harder Dick’s Balls: Get all of Dicks Balls in the Block Party Dumpster w/o reset
  • Rodeo Clown:  Use Ed to Explode 500 barrels in Clown Toss (Change from 5,000)
  • Ninja pwn: Hit the Target Stuffed Ninja in every Amusement Park Mode  
  • 2 Mill Club: Get “Pain in the Park” and “D-Town Destruction” (Change from 10 Mil)
  • Trill: Get Painful Bullseye Trophy with Scurv Dogg or Hung Lo add-on characters (Instead of Tosser) 

BRONZE TROPHIES

  • Dude Abides:  Use “The Dude” to score 30 Strikes in Bowling  (Change from 50 Strikes)
  • D-Town Destruction: Get 2,000,000 score in Paindemonium and Aftermath (Change from 10 million)
  • Pain in the Park: Get 2,000,000 score in Abusement and After Hours  (Change from 10 million)
  • Combo Mambo: Get 15x Combo in Paindemonium, Aftermath, Block Party, Demolition (Change from 20x)
  • Horsin’ a Clown: Take the Clown for a ride on the Roller Coaster
  • Glutton: Make 30 “Eat It!” shots in “Call da Shot”
  • Constipated: Get 100 Strikes in Bowling (Change from 250 Strikes)
  • Pain and Mane: Play 100 Games of Trauma or Horse 
  • Attention Spam: Get every type of PAIN (Groin, Head, Arm, Hand, Leg, Foot and Body) combo in Paindemonium, Aftermath, Block Party, Demolition.
  • Grenade-a-Maid: Get Exploded 200 times with any female launchable add-on character*(Change from 500 times)  

I feel pretty good about these changes as they really do appear to be a lot more “reasonable”. Sorry for the delay in getting the Amusement Park out to you…I’m hoping you think the delay was worth it. I’m thinking we did the right thing. But you all are the 5th C, so you tell me.


• Posted on 09.03.08 // 06:00 AM Comments (154)   Digg This   

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so when will it come out then?

Posted on 08.29.08 21:19 PM by no1rebal

Thank you for retooling the trophy system, I personally agree with the changes there.

On the other hand, I am very displeased with the date move and recent loss of online multiplayer. I now have to reschedule my Friday PAIN party for my friends and I. We were all very stoked for the amusement park tomorrow.

The delay of Online Multiplayer was a bigger loss when announced. I was one of the minority who voted for Online PAIN above trophies and/or Content. I have "shelved" Pain while awaiting the upcoming changes.

Pain was supposed to fill the gap between Eden & Little Big Planet, but that gap continues to be narrowed.

Today is a sad day for Pain lovers. Tomorrow was supposed to be a day of rejoice.

Posted on 08.29.08 21:23 PM by Sephex



Are we still getting the update? tommorow

I think this is really bad waiting the day before to say while people have been counting down.
delay the trophies not the amusment park add trophies in a update

Posted on 08.29.08 21:29 PM by New111

I've owned this awesome game since day one, but I am honestly sick and tired of waiting for a new map (sorry the extra downtown layouts and charcters dont cut it). Its been almost 1 year and still no new level. I understand you guys have had a lot to do in the last year, but come on give the dog a bone already. Im already wondering how much longer it will take to see a new level after the "abuse"ment park is finally released. I understand changing the trophies, some of them really did sound like a chore, but did you have too delay the new level AGAIN?? Why not just delay the trophy patch a few weeks instead and give us the new level on the 4th like originally planned? Anyways sorry about my rant, its just been a long time full of delays and I was looking forward to this thursday for the new map.

Posted on 08.29.08 21:30 PM by BATTLE-DONKEY

It would be epic to see the 4th come and then get a post from the uppers saying that the update was somehow...corrupt....and coulden't be delivered.....i'd laugh my @$$ off!!!!!

Posted on 09.01.08 23:40 PM by THEfireman

@THEfireman damn your like a mind reader

i dont think its worth making us wait for some people who just cant help whining and bitching because "people might think im not good at the game if i cant get the trophies"

Posted on 08.29.08 21:31 PM by no1rebal

@Travis... This is really BAD news... Frown
Any indication on the new release date ? prop 25th of september.
Trophies are now do'able, still the 'Harder Dick's Balls' seems undo-able to me ;-)

Kick some ass at IdolMind and get the AP out ASAP Laughing

Posted on 08.29.08 21:35 PM by HoefMeistert

on a lighter note they have posted the new mode videos in the pain home videos section

Posted on 08.29.08 21:35 PM by no1rebal

Obviously there will be a new update for the Multiplayer Online patch, so why not add the Trophies into that patch? I mean, don't get me wrong, all of these problems needed to be fixed, I understand that. I also understand that your job is tough at times like this, but you had to know how disappointed us PAIN fans were going to be when we heard yet ANOTHER delay. Please just get us the new level a.s.a.p., with or without Trophies.

Posted on 08.29.08 21:36 PM by Jvoles

@Travis: I still love you and will never stop stalking you or parking outside your house... errrh, I mean, sad news, but hey, shit happens Smile

I will say this though, trophies are fun and all, but to me it's kind of statswhoring when it's not put there to make the game challenging. I don't really care about the changes you made, I would probably just try to go for them as I really love the game. But to me it's just, well, it's just trophies, I'm not really that excited about it... at all... I mean, half the trophies are just rewards for playing a lot... wow... tough skill...

I understand that a lot of people are fans of trophies however and that you have to cater at least in part to make a game people will buy and I guess that means getting trophies in there ASAP.

Now, I'm not an angry guy(except when I yell at the radio.. or the tv... I hate stupid people) but I can't say I'm not a little dissapointed that something that, to me, is so utterly useless and meaningless is the cause for a delay in the greatest game for the ps3.

Ah well, if I have to put a positive spin on it, it does free up my ps3 gaming schedule for completing R&C: Quest for booty.

Keep up the good work Travis & Co!


Posted on 08.29.08 21:50 PM by KnizzleHizzle

i knew the day would come when the world of pain is damaged by fucking trophy whores.

Posted on 08.29.08 21:50 PM by no1rebal

What an absolute p*ss-take!

Delay of online multiplayer was bad enough, and now this?

Who gives a sheet about trophies just release the damn level.

You pretty much said 4th Sept WAS the date.

Delaystation strikes again.

Poor show

Posted on 08.29.08 21:51 PM by leicesterfan

@travis do we still get painlabs tomorrow? can you please send us the ap tomorrow? because i would rather not have trophies then have to wait for ap for another week or two!

Posted on 08.29.08 21:59 PM by no1rebal

Wait, you said "Sorry for the delay in getting the Amusement Park out to you…I’m hoping you think the delay was worth it."

Worth it? how? Hmm...

The new level tomorrow and trophies with online multiplayer in a few weeks
-OR-
The new level, trophies and online multiplayer in a few weeks

Where is the logic in that? The amount of content in Pain is a bit of a joke, and has been the real issue with the game. Now you could relieve some of the pressure of '1-level' but you are holding it back for a while longer for what? trophies?

I play the game cos I want to play the game. Not because I want a little picture and a number next to my name.

Just give us the damn level.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:00 PM by leicesterfan

Ummm...yea, what they said. You could have atleast release it and fixed that s**t in a patch or something.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:00 PM by Saturn_neo

Damn, I'm going to have to avoid at least 3 of my friends until AP comes out, they get a little too angry about delays. My friends and I (and I'm sure every other PAINer out there) had planned a good night of drinking and PAINing, but with no AP and just drinking, it might get a little hostile. Better shut off my phone.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:03 PM by Jvoles

@no1rebal: My guess is we get nothing tomorrow... like, at all...

Posted on 08.29.08 22:05 PM by KnizzleHizzle

@Everyone: We are in format testing as we speak. Essentially we have to pass the format test and then get promoted up to the store. So the PAIN team isn’t working on Amusement Park anymore we are waiting for the results. I am really confident we will pass format testing in the next few days. This means unless you hear differently we will be in the store on 9-11. I will let everyone know as soon as I know but right now things look very good.

Our testing this time is a little more complicated because we are testing our PAINLabs deployment procedure as well as the Amusement Park. That process has always worked in our test cases so I am not concerned. I just know it will be something new for the format test people to get used to.

I’m excited because we are done with Amusement Park and in the next few weeks I have even more good news. Bear with us as we get this final part of testing done.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:06 PM by travis williams

@knizz probably but that sucks if that is the case. i agree with leicesterfan there seems to be no logic in that but like i said trophy whores are gunna rip this game apart one day.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:10 PM by no1rebal

Also, despite what you said, those trophies are still not that great.

There do not appear to be any ones that will be F-U-N to get.

Super Stardust, you can at the look at the requirement and try your best and change tactics to achieve that goal.

The vast majority of Pain's trophies are all rewarded for prolonged playing. It is like on the Bowling in downtown, I connected two controllers and had to keep playing myself to unlock the new character. It took me ages to get through the 10 games and that was not fun.

The trophies should have been based on fun mini-games like the box grabbing etc. It offers a fun distraction from the main aim of just causing mayhem. These trophies don't offer anything exciting and with the lack of content, surely making the level last as long as possible is the main aim?

You know full well that within a few weeks people will be bored and want the new level.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:10 PM by leicesterfan

Wow, another set of excuses ... sooo great.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:11 PM by The_World

@Jvoles: Trophies really aren’t something you mess with like that. You can’t come back and alter them to make them more reasonable after you have set the standard. It would make the people who met the requirements before very upset. I really had to make a tough choice with the trophy requirements. I think a lot of times people who play a game get so good that the casual crowd gets left in the dust. I really felt like the trophies we were going to release were too hard for the average PAIN player to get anything. That would have just made people upset (which is obviously not my intent). The 9-11 date was the soonest date I could ship with the changes we made and like I said before I am pretty confident of that date. I’ve been LIVING in QA making sure our testing was going well.

…and I am working on new things J… Like sooner than you think.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:14 PM by travis williams

If you are done with it, release it. That's what people have wanted ever since the game was first made available.

People have waited for so long. It is all done but its been delayed. It is just unnecessary.

I told my brother it would be released on the 4th and he said "oh great it will be out when I come back from my holiday!" Sorry bro.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:14 PM by leicesterfan

@Travis
Alright I can forgive the delay I have to work this week anyway but why not soften the blow and give us all the good news a few weeks early. It would certainly cool things down in here.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:23 PM by Wolfpac-sco

Please dont tease us with "more good news in the next few weeks" after telling us we will have to wait longer for a level we have been waiting almost 1 year fot. Unless you want an angry mob with pitch forks and torches outside the office, i sugest getting on the phone with SCEA and getting permission to reveal this "good news" today, maybe that will distract us long enough and maybe buy you guys some extra time. lol

Posted on 08.29.08 22:25 PM by BATTLE-DONKEY

Hella lame guys. As someone who has defended and apologised (as well as raved and recommended) this game and your studio I feel that you have breached the players' trust too many times to have any credibility. It wouldn't be so bad if you felt like you could just (as a company) shut your mouths, but no, gotta keep coming out with grandiose claims which raise expectations, only to have those expectations not be met when you have to shuffle back up to the soapbox to apologise for the billionth time. You game is great. Your Public Relations SUCK.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:26 PM by TedSallis

@Travis:

Sorry, I was not clear enough. What I meant by saying you should release the Trophy patch with the Multiplayer update was that, holding off on Trophies all together until later so you could release AP alone (trophy free) would be nice. I understand now you probably couldn't do that anyways, and trust me I am grateful for all the work you and the Idol Minds team have put into this. Thanks again for fast replies.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:28 PM by Jvoles

Even now in the midst of dealing with yet another player dissappointment Travis is hinting "…and I am working on new things J… Like sooner than you think."

Just shut up for a month, quietly put some stuff out and be there to answer questions after THE JOB IS DONE!!!!!!

Posted on 08.29.08 22:28 PM by TedSallis

so.. the trophies also come later???

Posted on 08.29.08 22:31 PM by liquid_ice

@TedSallis

Yes it's dissapointing but come on leave him alone. You say the public relations suck. Tell me another game that you can regulary chat with the developer and get answers back to your questions? You think you can do better go ahead.

No Serioulsy go on develop and game and post a blog of everything you do and get it out on time with no delays. Go on

Posted on 08.29.08 22:33 PM by Wolfpac-sco

@TedSallis

I'm still waiting on my game, god you suck

Posted on 08.29.08 22:35 PM by Wolfpac-sco

@Travis
Wow dude...wow! I gotta tell you man, I don't know if the fun of this game is worth the disappointment anymore. If you had a co-worker or client that failed to get the job done on time, ALMOST EVERY TIME, they wouldn't have a job or a relationship anymore. I'm really starting to feel this way about PAIN. How can you sit there and say you're delaying AP due to trophies? That's ridiculous! Release AP and the next week you can have a trophy patch. Major loss of respect fellas.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:35 PM by MutilatRJuggalo

MAJOR!!!!!

Posted on 08.29.08 22:36 PM by MutilatRJuggalo

@Travis - I have to say that if the AP needed tweaking then fine, another week would be no big deal, but like others have said, to get a delay because of trophies is making my stomach turn.

PSN Trophies...what a waste.

The funny thing to me is that those of us who have been waiting for the AP for 3/4 of a year will get just about all of those "new" trophies without really trying. So what you have done is made your oldest and most loyal fans wait for something with no real reward, so the newer people don't cry about hard to get trophies.

I feel a bit let down.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:42 PM by TonyB

I almost wanna say it's time for someone else to become captain of the ship, cause you damn sure ain't gettin' the job done Travis. Doesn't Sony see that by now?

@Tony
Doesn't it seem like all these guys do is let us down?
No Online,
Dumb Trophies,
Constant delays,
Going back and changing post dates and wordings just so Travis can THINK we didn't catch him in a lie.

I'm sorry Travis, I like you and all, but you're just not doing your job. BOTTOM LINE! It's become a trend, and that's bad business. But then again, I guess if that last C don't mean jack to you, who cares if you get paid right?

Posted on 08.29.08 22:48 PM by MutilatRJuggalo

ok travis i dont mind about the delay because you gotta do what you gotta do,
and i know youve bin having a few troubles with your eye. But why did you feel the need to make a whole new post THE DAY BEFORE said release date just to tell us its been delayed again...why couldnt you have just posted a comment a few DAYS ago letting us know its been delayed. surely all these changes havent been decided and made today!?
come on if your gonna delay tell us! not wait till were practically logging in ready for when the psn gets updated!

anyways rant over and good luck to a successful release date...Smile you guys rock.

Just remember mine and probably a lot of other peoples request DELAY NOTICE FEW DAYS BEFORE RELEASE! THANKS!

Posted on 08.29.08 22:48 PM by Jayspikes

LOL, yall are the new GTA. Constant delays, for half the content.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:50 PM by MutilatRJuggalo

i THINK HE DOESNT want our money!
I dunno... thats riddiculous
why not release the patch and lower the trophys in a later update?

@TRAVIS: are at least the new characters coming out tomorrow?

Posted on 08.29.08 22:51 PM by liquid_ice

and well I really love sony AND pain...
but if you had reacted earlier you could have changed the trophies already.... or you could have told from the beginning that the release date isnt sure but we are here waiting for the update and you delay it ONE DAY!!! before the official release date

Posted on 08.29.08 22:56 PM by liquid_ice

@Wolfpac-sco

Dude, you sound like me about 6 months ago. I think what you meant to say was "Tell me another game where you can have the developers blow smoke up your a$$ on a monthly basis." Any value one might place on interaction of that kind should be based entirely on the ACCURACY of the information gained. If they get input and we get false promises and delays then that's a pretty one way street. Some of us have been on that street longer than others and are looking to pull over or at least honk our horns in frustration. Others who have just merged into traffic with the rest of us might not feel as frustrated. So don't tell me to leave them alone. They want props when everything is peaches and cream and they should be able to take it criticism when it's not. Otherwise that's another one way street. Only in this case THEY get to set their own course. By what they say and what they do or do not do. Players just pay our fare and ride the bus. So far our drivers are doing a horrible job.

Posted on 08.29.08 22:56 PM by TedSallis

Just to point something out from Travis' original post.
"The reason for this delay was at least in part due to our retooling the PlayStation®Network trophies."

In part? So, Travis, was there more to it than just trophies? That is what seems to be upsetting the long-time fans the most.

We don't need you to tell us what the other part(s) of the delay were, but confirming that there was more than just trophies may calm some people down.

I'm not too upset, personally, because after getting The Last Guy and my Warhawk update I have barely had any free time to play them. Fantasy, and real, football has gotten in the way. Two fantasy drafts and tickets to the Kentucky vs Louisville game, plus hangover recory time, has kept me from gaming very much.

So, this delay just gives me some time to catch up before I have three new things on my PS3.

Posted on 08.29.08 23:00 PM by FoolKiller79

@Travis...
I think you already knew stuff will be delayed when you started talking about these new f@%*@#g throphies you planning on showing us soon...that was bad news already and already a sign for me you were not able to deliver the AP on time...its a distraction on what realy is going on...
Im actualy very mad about this alll.... first trying to make ppl think it will be delivered this summer and that there will be updates regular ... well summer is passed here and im still waiting like forever to get som new content for PAIN....
Do you developers get a course from playstation on how to frustrate people or so? All the time promoting stuff that will come out "some" day and then delay it or simply cancel it...oh and those throphies...come on.. stick them somwhere were i wil never hear about them anymore .. ty In holland we call this "gekloot"... its kinda like you like jerking while you r being watched

Posted on 08.29.08 23:03 PM by tal

@Everyone - You guys needs to cut Travis some slack here. He's trying his best and you guys are just sh*tting all over him. So you have to wait another 7 days? Big deal! Is this the only game out on the PS3 right now? No, there are plenty of other games that you can play and enjoy right now, and then when AP does finally get released, you have that to play as well.

@Travis - I think you're doing a great job! The fact that you deal with all the sh*t people give you on this blog, and you still come back for more, and try to please us and do your job at the same time says a lot. Most other producers of video games don't even bother to update the
players on what's going on, and I'm sure any other company would have just let the 4th come and go with no communication to the players. Anyway, keep up the good work!

Posted on 08.29.08 23:03 PM by Bloodfrost77

@Ted: Like I said long ago we are working on more than one thing at a time. The good news is the DEVELOPMENT work is done for Amusement Park. When I say it’s done I mean that now it’s the testing and deployment that needs to happen now. Europe, Asia and America are now doing format test to make sure everything is good. And for the record. It’s not a good idea to tell the person who can ban you or delete your messages at will to shut up. You’re asking for it.

And we could say NOTHING but when we do that people complain too. So either you are going to want to hear good news only. Bad news only or NO news. You can’t have it YOUR way.

@Jvoles: We don’t need a patch for trophies. We just altered the requirements. So they come out when Amusement Park does.

@Leicesterfan: We stopped working on The Amusement Park last week. It works like this. If you miss the cut off time for the update to the store you have to wait a week. When I tell you we worked as hard as we could to meet that date it’s the truth. After we finish with the game it goes through 2 levels of Quality Assurance before it can be released. There is no getting around that. This is done to protect the customer. When we release a new PAIN update that affects the old area (Downtown) it means that QA must play the whole game over again to make sure everything works. That means they have to play the game with EVERY character in EVERY mode and get EVERY medal etc. That used to take 2-3 days. Now it takes 5 (because of the new content). So it’s not enough that we (Product Development and Idol Minds) are done. QA needs to be done and then Format needs to be done. It’s not a simple process. QA is done with Amusement Park now we are waiting on the thumbs up from Format. We are confident we will get that. Which means we are in the store on 9-11. The reason I mentioned new stuff is because we’ve actually had a week where we didn’t have to work on Amusement Park anymore. We went right into the new stuff.

I hope that clears up the confusion.

@TonyB: I hear you dude. I swear I understand. This is the part of my job I hate the most. This is the part where I speak into the mic like Han Solo except I have no blaster to shoot the console when the conversation goes bad. I just scream: IT LOOKS LIKE WERE GONNA HAVE COMPANY!

@Juggs: The problem with announcing dates is when things go bad you have no cushion. You should hear me on the phone when I realize there’s nothing we can do to prevent a slip. If I smoked I would light up right then. Instead I just yell at everyone else like you guys are yelling at me. And just like I said before you don’t release “patches” that’s against policy. Patches are extreme cases. That’s if the game is somehow broken and no one in QA or Format caught it. Even those patches take 5-10 days to “certify” I wish I could shorten that time but that’s Sony policy. The reason you don’t want to do that with trophies is because some of them are tied to achievements you need to track. Say if a trophy was to swing in the tilt a hurl 10 times. Well the game is already tracking that and you want the trophy when you earn it.

BTW: There has never been any word changing on a post of mine. To cover up something. The only word changes that happened was we changed a version number on Coker’s post because we were calling a patch 1.7 and it turned out to be 1.67 or something to that effect. Since then we have stopped calling updates by a version number to avoid confusion. Like the Amusement Park we used to call it V2.0 it turned out it was V1.89 so that’s the very reason we don’t do that anymore (publish a version number)

@JaySpikes: I could have said this a few days ago. But we weren’t done with First Party QA. Although I was confident I wasn’t SURE. We ARE done with First Party QA so I wanted to be a little more sure before I posted.

@FoolKiller: Actually there was a trophy that was removed and when it was removed it started playing havoc with the system. So when that happened we said if we are going to fix this bug and it delay us again let’s make sure the trophies are realistic. So that one bug in trophies pretty much sunk us and then in some ways gave us the time to retool. It sucked A LOT but I am glad we lowered the requirements. That bug acted almost like a spotlight on all the other trophies.

@Tal: Like I told Fool it wasn’t any new trophy. It was an old one that caused this.

@Bloodfrost: Thanks for the assist but I gotta take it when we’re late. It’s my job to make all this happen. People are upset and I know it. I hate this part of my job but it’s kinda the price I pay for being so “Open Kimono” People like Juggs have defended me for a while so when he’s pissed I can understand.

Posted on 08.29.08 23:11 PM by travis williams

Bit dissapointed but theres no use crying bout it just get over it and wait a tiny bit longer! It will come eventually and it will be great!

Posted on 08.29.08 23:11 PM by Mullypower

To me this is like everyone having to wait for their dinner at a resturant because 1 dooshbag had to order the crab rangoon appetizer. Letting down the masses to please the asses.

@Juggs - I'm not ready to holler for a mutiny yet, I still have faith in the team to get the job done. The truth is I don't really mind the delay, I am just sad because of what the reason is. Getting a new level out should have been the main concern in my opinion, not trophy support. The number of people waiting for the level for 9+ months should have won out against the people wanting easier trophies that have only been available for a couple months.

Posted on 08.29.08 23:12 PM by TonyB

oh wait i know something that would ease my waiting... the longer we have to wait the more discount we get on the AP Smile like every week more we wait we get like say around 5 dollar discount... aint that some good compromise to keep us waiting? Laughing

Posted on 08.29.08 23:13 PM by tal

@TonyB: Thanks for the metaphor. I happen to love crab Rangoon so maybe this is my punishment. I really needed that laugh. REALLY NEEDED IT. Tony I understand your new level concern, but after you commit to getting some new feature in you can’t just remove it without causing problems. Tony the choice to make the trophies easier wasn’t the sole cause of the delay. Once we had a bug we had to deal with it caused us to look at the trophies as a whole and ask ourselves why they were so fricken hard? That part of the delay is 1000% TRAVIS which is why I stand in front of all this and take responsibility for it. I should have said something about how hard they were long time ago. I think what happens is when you get good at your own game you lose sight of how hard it is for people who aren’t experts. When we saw the response people gave us for how hard the trophies were it made us think perhaps we were playing a little too much to the experts and not to everyone. That was a bad judgment call on my part and it’s why I felt we needed to change it. So if people want to blame anyone for that part you can hit me up. That’s my fault.

Posted on 08.29.08 23:23 PM by travis williams

Wait does this mean I get a DOOSH rating? Alright. Hit me....

Posted on 08.29.08 23:25 PM by travis williams

@Travis - I ain't mad at ya cap'n, like I said, just feeling let down. At least I can enjoy the football game without stressing about how the AP looks.

Posted on 08.29.08 23:25 PM by TonyB

But yeah the monkies are in the back room calculating your new D.O.O.S.H. Rating... And I hear lots of poo being flung against walls....

Posted on 08.29.08 23:27 PM by TonyB

It get's here,when it get's here!!!!!!!! Everyone just need's to calm down and find other thing's to occupie your time!!!!!! a one week delay is no big deal!!!!!!! keep up the good work Travis and do whatever you need to do to get it right!!!!!!

Posted on 08.29.08 23:34 PM by oldschoolfool

yeah but on the other side Im glad that the trophies are easier now... i mean I also would have problems with the 10 mil trophy. Now its much better. I think trophies should make fun.. only gold trophies should be very difficult because otherwise they arent special anymore.. (not like PJE where you need like two months to get like 10 freakin bronze trophies)

Posted on 08.29.08 23:39 PM by liquid_ice

The Billion point trophy was the one that sounded the most fun....

Posted on 08.29.08 23:43 PM by TonyB

@Every1 givin travis shit...
yes it may b his fault, but its 7 days people, thats nothin, unless you've bin told u got less than a week 2 live (in which case this should b the least of your worrys) i dnt c the problem?

Surely u can find summit else 2 do 4 a week?

An atleast he held his hands up instead of passin the buck to sum1 else!

keep up the good wrk travis.

Posted on 08.29.08 23:44 PM by Gaz

@travis,

Posted on 08.30.08 00:00 AM by keith

ok maybe i'm slow but maybe a clarification is needed. . . is painlabs being released tommorrow or what about the new characters.

Posted on 08.30.08 00:02 AM by keith

Travis. For the record I think what I was trying to say was if you are going to talk the talk then you have to walk the walk. That's what adults do. They face consequences of their actions and their failure to act in some cases. My dad always told me "Don't let your elephant mouth write any checks your canary a$$ can't cash." If you don't know 100 percent that you can hit a date, then don't give a date. I've already seen 9/11 tossed out there as the next possible date. Wow, so wrong on so many levels. Leave the significance of that particular date aside, What if you can't hit that date for some reason?

If you under promise and over deliver then nobody will ever be mad at you again. If you do the opposite then people will get mad. It's that easy. I can understand you are feeling defensive. Believe me I can understand. Because I feel defensive right now on your behalf.

Like I said before, I have been a defender and promoter all along and after taking on a personal stake in you being true to your word and getting boned again and again I'm not going to do that anymore. I will choose to not say anything in your defense on the boards because time and time again you have made me look like a fool. I say you personally because that is the role you have taken on. you are the spokesman, the "face" of your studio. It's not a personal attack because it looks like taking crap is your job. I hope that there is some satisfaction from time to time or at least a nice paycheck because your studio hangs you out to dry way too often. And I say me personally because it has been me personally. It's not my job to tell my friends and people I work with and my customers at Best Buy to download your game. I did it because I enjoyed it and I thought they might too. And I really did believe that there was even better stuff coming, that we'd be able to talk about new levels and even play together online. But when they give ME crap about the lack of content and worse the continuing lack on NEW content then I say to heck with it. I'm throwing you under the bus. I feel like I wasted their money. I feel betrayed. And I blame you. Because it is your job to accept it. You're the face. You're the spokesman.

So that's where I'm coming from. I guess if I just posted a one line zinger and moved on like so many others the threat of banning would never have come up. I hope you can at least place some value on the time I spent trying to explain my feelings as a customer and a supporter of your product. And as a person. I'm not trying to insult you or your studio. I could have done that in 20 words or less. I sincerely want you to be better. That's what I'm asking for. Thanks for your time.

Posted on 08.30.08 00:05 AM by TedSallis

PS. I Love Crab Rangoons too.

Posted on 08.30.08 00:06 AM by TedSallis

@Ted: Yeah I hear what you guys are saying. I’m evaluating how much I want to share in the future. You guys see more than most people do about what goes on behind the scenes. I wonder if that is a good or bad thing. I think it’s a little of both. I think the bad only outweighs the good because people rarely write long paragraphs when you’re doing well. The bad paragraphs are legendary though. I don’t want you to have a personal stake Ted. Just quote me that’s all I need. Hopefully in the future I will be better at it.

And as far as my studio hanging me out to dry… well I’m responsible for everything that happens on my team. Even when it’s not my fault or anything I’ve done. I’m ultimately responsible. That’s why you will never see me blame anyone here but me. What I do inside the studio tho… Heh… Well I give as good as I get.

Ted. Ask anyone around here. I never ban anyone who makes good points even if I don’t agree. Minus your one line zinger I would agree with you. That better part I’m always working on. Promise.

Crab Rangoons are indeed DA S#!+

@Keith: Amusement Park, Characters and PAINLabs are all part of one big release. When it happens your PAIN will be updated to the new version of PAIN. If you do not choose to buy anything (I will be sad) but you will get Trophies & PAINLabs. You will also have the opportunity to purchase Amusement Park as well as the 3 new characters. It will be in one big code update. I hope that clears this up.

Guys I am in a PlayStation®Network meeting all day today so I won’t be able to answer questions till after I get off work. At which point I will get back to work answering questions.

Posted on 08.30.08 00:19 AM by travis williams

@Travis

Without getting long-winded, I think the adjustments were much needed. The fact that you stepped back and took a look at what needed to be done, and are currently making correction, is a testament to your character. You want the game and all it's components to be RIGHT! Not rushed to please a crazed mass audience. That's the difference between a true Game Developer, and everyone else. We will wait patiently for the change that needed to be made, and I give you mad-props for doing what needed to be done, despite the backlash you knew you would receive from the 5th C!

Posted on 08.30.08 00:21 AM by RenderMonk

Don't worry Travis this is just part of the Playstation experience.

delay after delay after delay after delay.

Thanks for contributing Wink

Posted on 08.30.08 00:21 AM by XxBigP123xX

@Travis,
Yes it does clear things up. thank you. i was sad to hear of this delay, but i know that you and your crew are doing the very best that you can. i will still be a loyal fan of this game and can't wait to play. keep up the good work and don't mind the haters.

Posted on 08.30.08 00:37 AM by keith

Ok...ok...I forgive you now. I forgot about all the hoops Sony has you guys jump through. Hell, we've waited this long, another week cant hurt. Oh and Travis, whatever happened to the Zombie?

Posted on 08.30.08 00:53 AM by Saturn_neo

@Travis

I hope you don't stop feeding us info. It is a bit of good and bad, but I think the good outweighs the bad. And I think that the only real change you should make to eliminate most of the bad would be to quit giving us dates. I say you don't give us dates until you know 100%, or you shoot for a major safety range that would require a building fire to miss.

Plus, I think part of the issue may be your audience. I tend to link your updates to a Gran Turismo fan site and the only negative comment I got in response to this was how you are taking delay cues from Polyphony Digital. But it was greed that you are still doing better because you at least bring it up.

@everyone who is complaining
And I think that brings up something others should consider. Life with Playstation has been delayed, twice. No questions have been answered. Home is in perpetual delay. No questions have been answered. Other games don't appear to be delayed because they just don't talk about it until it is ready. Sony refuses to answer questions regarding video store in Canada, PS1 games in the US, PSP GPS for the US, etc. These are problems.

Travis has come on here, admitted it would be delayed, explained why, and even added multiple responses to clarify questions. He manned up, said to blame him, and gave us a reason. You might not be happy, and that is understandable, but he has done much more than any other member of any team involved with the Playstation 3.

Voice your moans and groans and complaints. He's a big boy, he can handle it. But start calling him a liar or other names and he may choose to quit talking at all. You know, how all those other games work? Just imagine your favorite gaming blog reports a PAIN rumor, and then two days before the new thing comes out we get a post on the PlayStation Blog saying what it is. Then no one responds to anything in the comments.

If we can't keep our responses civil then we don't deserve any news.


I guess I am just pleading with people not to push to hard and make us lose the only game producer to talk to the fans directly.

Posted on 08.30.08 00:54 AM by FoolKiller79

ok if i may (clears throat) woo 7 days

Posted on 08.30.08 00:55 AM by no1rebal

sdfa

Posted on 08.30.08 00:57 AM by ens04

oh sorry about that last post, anyways my question is when the new amusement park & 3 new characters are released will there be some sort of special price cut for people who will want to buy all 10 characters at the same time?

Posted on 08.30.08 00:58 AM by ens04

I CAN'T BELIEVE MY EYES!!!!!!!

HOW IN THE F*** DID I KNOW THIS WOULD HAPPEN.....LIKE I SAID....IF IT HAPPENED I'D LAUGH MY @$$ OFF.......

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

HOHOHOHO!!!!! HEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEE!!!!!!


THIS IS AMAZING!!!!!!

Posted on 08.30.08 01:02 AM by THEfireman

On the lighter side of things...Travis...I don't BLAME YOU!!!!!! It is just that the community is gonna want blood.....and you my friend are the spokes person for them......as Obi One once said..."May the force be with you!!!!"

Posted on 08.30.08 01:05 AM by THEfireman

HA! My roomate just got 11.7 mil on horse, then I topped him with 13.3 mil!! Highest score ever beat between us! Poor sucker! We don't shoot at glitches by the way...

Posted on 08.30.08 01:06 AM by TonyB

@no1rebal

I wouldn't start the coutdown again just yet. It's now in the hands of Sony and who knows what delay they could cause with the Home beta starting and all. I've been in the industry long enough to know the potential outcome here.

@Travis. I understand the wanting to wait to let us know of the delay, but, if you knew it could potentially happen the let us know it's a probability. At lease a percentage of us are mature enough to understand and would appreciate knowing in advance.

Unfortunate my daughter will be heartbroken as AP was to be a special gift for some recent extra chores she took on in the house, but, 1 more week isn't bad if it does hit on the 11th. If you know of any other delay's please let us know when you know. It makes it smoother all around..

@All th epeople just in it for the trophy numbers

Thanks to you we have to wait on the AP yet again. Suck it up and deal with the fact that a trophy could be harder to get then most. Just because you want quick satisfaction, and most likely will stop playing pain once you get all the trophies, and then bitch piss and moan that pain sucks and needs more trophies or the trophies were too easy.

Let's all take a moment to look back (especially the old skool gamers here, and you know who you are)...

Let's not forget the first few consoles we had. No checkpoints in games, if you died you had to start a level over, Graphics that at times were sub-par, passwords that were long enough to have to write down a full page of numbers, letters, and symbols, and then you messed up 1 character and after working for hours you have to start over cause you wrote 1 stupid letter/number wrong.

We played for the love of the game and went back for more and more. Didn't matter how bad the game would glitch (mega man's invisible fading characters). Impossible levels that had you playing for days and throwing controllers because "it just can't be this hard. Damn I gotta try again.

The real reward was beating a level just a few seconds faster, getting to the next level, or just finally beating the game after months of "Pain" and suffer with matters completely out of our control.

You didn't need to gloat to "friends" that I have more trophies than you. You got to gloat because you finally finished teh bitch of a game yo were working on then in some cases helped that "friend" to do it them selves. Didn't need some number next to a user name to show you're better than someone when in all actuality all it shows is you only play for the trophy and not for the game.

Sorry to all for ranting and raving on and on but I've been gaming since my pong and Atari 2600. Trophies and gamerscores are great if you have something to compete for, but, at the end of the day does a trophy give you anything other than a virtual number... HELL NO!!!

So thanks for saying the trophies were too hard and now making Idol Minds re-tool the game just to water it down for the "NEXT-GEN" gamer who wants everything to be instat gratification and does not want to work for much.

1 Billion was a great cumulative goal, now, for some 100 million is 4 - 5 good runs.

Well I'll go put on my flame retardant suit now and go hide in my cubical and get some work done so I can earn a paycheck (funny, I don't get trophies for doing my job, but, I get a bigger bouns which let's me buy more games... Beats little graphic of a trophy and a number any day!!!)

Posted on 08.30.08 01:24 AM by micha42

@Travis - I do think that sometimes you give too much info, and that for you, it's a bad thing. You've spoiled the people that read these boards with so much good info, that when the bad stuff comes, they feel betrayed for some reason. I say you fight fire with fire and spend less time updating people on what's going on behind the scenes, and then sit back and watch as they plead for more info, whether it's good or bad. Then maybe people will appreciate what you've been doing here.

@everyone - stop complaining about the lack of content already! Yeah, there's only one level, but you only paid $10 for the game, it's not like you plopped down $60 and actually have a valid argument. Some people didn't even pay for the game, they got that free coupon with the MGS4 bundle, and even they are complaining. I think for $10 it has more than enough content. I've only been playing for about 3 months, so I can't speak for those of you that got it on day one, but I am still finding different things to do in the game. I guess it's pointless really to try to talk sense into some of you though, because I know that as soon as AP is available, you'll download it, play it constantly for like a week until you've done everything and gotten every trophy, then you'll come back here and start whining about why it's taking so long for even more content to be released. It makes me sick how spoiled we've become. I remember paying like $20-$30 for Pac-Man for the Atari, and that had one stupid stage and there were no such things as updates back then, and I didn't see anyone complaining about the lack of content. Pain has infinitely more content than games back in the day did, and it costs
way less, so stop yer yapping about it and realize how good you've got it.

Posted on 08.30.08 01:30 AM by Bloodfrost77

@Bloodfrost77

Good points there. And I remeber in the 2600 days that I was luch to get a game for $30. Most were $50 and up due to new technology. NO updates and no addons. But we sure as hell had fun playing anything they threw at us.

Posted on 08.30.08 01:39 AM by micha42

OMG! seriously, when is this thing coming out? Actually i have patience and don't really care how long it takes. It cracks me up that any little tidbit you give that people hang on every word and want you to deliver right away.

Posted on 08.30.08 01:49 AM by casinoskunk

Now THAT is a trophy list. 10000000000000x better!

Instead of there only being about 2 or 3 trophies I might be able to get, I think I could actually go for 100% on the game now.

The hardest ones will be Dicks Balls without resetting(any tips on this one?) and then I noticed you changed the 1 billion to 100 million BUT you said "Get One 100 Million Points in Downtown (Change from 1 Billion) ". So does that mean 100 Million in ONE go? Or is it cumulative in one play without resetting? Or is it cumulative throughout playing?

Either way this is much more like it. Im perfectly fine with this being pushed back for these changes.

Posted on 08.30.08 01:59 AM by Lamplitersniper

hey im new here, but i `ve ben reading all the posts in a long time,,,

and i would just like to say. Im dissappointed too!!

you just delayed my whole life a weekXD

Posted on 08.30.08 02:00 AM by spammer4life

@travis

Hey man, just heard the date slipped. Don't sweat it too bad. I mean, you do a pretty good job of keeping us informed, and stuff happens. (I'm a PR guy, so trust me, I feel your pain) We 'll just postpone the amusement park launch party a week or two, no big!

Posted on 08.30.08 02:08 AM by Terwallace

@Bloodfrost - The part of your comment that says - "I've only been playing for about 3 months, so I can't speak for those of you that got it on day one" is the best part of what you said.

People like you SHOULD have plenty of things left to do in the game, but those of us who have been playing since launch day have just about done everything we can.

Posted on 08.30.08 02:11 AM by TonyB

Will we get a patch tomorrow and no platinum for this then???

Posted on 08.30.08 02:20 AM by AshleyPS3

this sucks i think im finish with pain

Posted on 08.30.08 02:35 AM by rick james bh

holy shit... you go to work at 4 am and find out the world fell down while you were away.

I will not lie, I am really pissed about the delay. I'm not mad at anyone specificly, I still love Travis and Idol Minds for their hard work. But I feel so damn let down right now. I cant say I don't think the Trophies are cool (provided you are not a whore for them), but once things like this start to happen...lets put it this way, I'd rather let 360 users keep their trophy system while I enjoy quality games.

this is a raw deal and just F***ing sucks.

Posted on 08.30.08 02:35 AM by Darkangel269

@TonyB - Exactly, that's why I said I couldn't speak for you, but my point was that for $10, I've played a game for 3 months and am still having fun with it. That's $3.33 a month. I've paid $50-$60 for numerous games that have only lasted about a month before I got tired of them. I'm not sure, but I think that that says a lot about PAIN, and it's "limited" content. And also, anyone that's been playing any game for nine months would have a hard time finding replay value in it, no matter how much content was originally included (excluding MMOs, they don't count cuz they don't end.)

Posted on 08.30.08 02:35 AM by Bloodfrost77

@Travis

No worries bruddah, but if there is ONE glitch in AP were gonna burn ya (kidding)

Talk about disappointment, my girlfriend is out of town till the 12th. Perfect chance to play pain, drink beer and reek like a sewer for a whole week before i pried myself off the couch. Now I gotta sit here and continue to try and do better at FWE.

Worse part is nothing kills disappointment like a visit to the good ole "Hotel Coral Essex" which aint gonna happen cause she aint here. But I digress.

I know it couldn't be helped and I would much rather wait for something that is sure to be a complete and working game other than a rushed version thats full of bugs.

Keep up the good work and I commend you for being a man and taking the rap for your team.

Posted on 08.30.08 02:55 AM by MoltenKevlar

we should get a travis character in pain so those with issues with the pain team can take out your frustration on travis in pain instead of in this blog forum. I say take your time to do it right travis, no worries.

Posted on 08.30.08 02:57 AM by bwhitlat

@Travis
Damn man, where the hell were your Balls? Why couldn't you drop this bomb on us a few days ago, then maybe some of us wouldnt be so freaking pissed. You know how many of us appreciate how you come in here and tell us what is going on, well respect us enough to drop a bomb on us like this more then 1 day before release. If this whole community thing is going to continue to work, respect us gamers. Heck I have been playing various games since I was like 5, hell my first console was the Atari, I loved that system and I played it cause it was fun. Now move ahead to 2008 and we have trophy whores who have now ruined the most anticipated update for us pain players. Those of us who truely love this game don't give a damn about the trophies, we just want our new enviroment. Heck check out my psn profile do I even have a single trophy yet, NO. Why, because I play a game for its fun value, not shinyies. I know we will wait another week but I am not going to hold my breath.

Posted on 08.30.08 03:04 AM by deadhead19420

@Everyone who is complaining Smile

Wake up guys do you know of almost anyone(criterion is doing good as well I think)
who
-develops game makes a good deal of their promises and apologizes when they don't
-Supports a product after market
-COMUNICATES TO US (gamers) at all
-listens to as many people as humanly possible
AS MUCH AS THESE GUYS

If anyone can prove me wrong then continue complaining otherwise give constructive feed back and ideas to make the game better.

This kind of dedication to the fan and gamer is very rare I feel finally it's growing but if we keep beeting the good ones down the'll get eaten by the ea's who as a whole don't care about anything other then money.

Keep up the good work and keep us informed I appriciate it.

Posted on 08.30.08 03:04 AM by Pocketaces11

After being lambasted repeatedly on this forum for suggesting that Travis's inability to meet the easy, highly visible deadlines he set for himself on these forums meant that the project itself would not be timely, I must say I'm not the least bit surprised by this news. I've been called names and attacked for making this prediction and Travis even went so far as to tell me that he expected me to be just as vocal about eating my words when he proves me wrong. Like I've said, I'll happily take my lumps and be vocal when I'm wrong. So my question to you Travis (and your lapdog Haskell) are you man enough to admit when you're wrong?

For convenience, I'm quoting the thesis from my original post:

"To be honest, I have low confidence that Amusement Park will be released on September 4th. I also expect some promised features to be missing when AP is finally released. Why create this problem by repeatedly making promises you don't keep?"

Let's see, the September 4th deadline will be missed and the promised online multiplayer features have been dropped (the inclusion of which is claimed to be the primary reason for the original delays in the first place.) As it turns out, both predictions I made have been proven to be 100% correct despite the venom spewed at me for suggesting this might happen. I think you owe me an apology.

Posted on 08.30.08 03:28 AM by Slarrg

Thanks for everything Pain team

This may be a sucker punch but i simply love this game

Please live up to the promise you made of faster content as this is CLEARLY not that

its sad cos i will buy everythin yet seem to get nothing in return

suppose am just upset lol

anyway cant wait pain team please make it even more AWESOME!!!!!!!!!

Posted on 08.30.08 03:28 AM by BarnsleysGreeny

@ Travis

I am extremely bummed 'cause my boys, ages 4 & 7 (and mostly I) were sooo looking forward to AP. When I first read your post I too was pissed because I thought trophies were the only issue holding back our favorite game in the world. I don't dislike trophies but the real joy of PAIN is the pain. It's an amazing game you all have put together and we love it here. My son tries to skip Pre-K everyday to stay home and play. People wouldn't be so angry if they didn't love it too. Let's see if they (the whining bitches) really keep their money come release day. I don't think so... Please just shore up 9-11 and we'll call it good. I'm off to pick up my kids from school and do some damage control. (I'm making it sound worse for dramatic effect) WAR PAIN on 9-11-08!!!!

Posted on 08.30.08 03:31 AM by MarlyT35

I have read and followed this Pain Playstation blog for weeks on end, after never having posted a comment. I am sure that I am not alone, that there are a great number of Pain followers who not only enjoy the game and anticipate future updates, but also read these comments with enthusiasm and for entertainment.

I finally decided to comment. One, everytime I read Slarrg post a comment, I whole heartedly agree. That Hello Hello guy, (yeah I know I'm not one to talk), but when those two went at it, I couldn't help but think any normal sane person would conclude that Slarrg was being the more reasonable one. So Slarrg, keep it up man, 'cause you make logical points and your voice is well-heard.

On the other hand, Travis, you too are doing the best you can to help improve the Pain experience. I love the fact that you made the Trophies more accessible for the gamers. Best of luck with all of the angry gamers on this board.

Posted on 08.30.08 03:52 AM by John

I can wait socom is friday :o)hopefully....

Posted on 08.30.08 04:03 AM by J-2THE-A

As your #1 non-mutant player fan, I have to say Thank You for lowering the crazy reqs! Dick's balls still sounds like something someone would be condemed to do for all eternity to make up for something bad in life, but the rest of them I think I can handle.
I think this has been answered somewhere, but I'll ask again anyway. Are any of these trophies retroactive? If not, will we need to delete our old save data in order to get them (for example, what if I've already gotten 100 strikes in bowling? what if I've scored 200 million in downtown already)?

You rock.

-foo

Posted on 08.30.08 04:11 AM by Leetfoo

@ TedSallis

By the way, TedSallis...... im quoting now.

"I've already seen 9/11 tossed out there as the next possible date. Wow, so wrong on so many levels. Leave the significance of that particular date aside, What if you can't hit that date for some reason?"

Even bringing up 9/11 in that respect with regards to a game puts you in line for #1 Doosh in the Universe award.

Posted on 08.30.08 04:16 AM by MoltenKevlar

This sucks! oh well it's only a week (hopefully) so that's not all that bad. Although for Dooshing out on us I think we should get one of the characters on the house! That would be nice Smile

ok let's start this over again....

8 Days and Counting!

Posted on 08.30.08 04:20 AM by sicdude

so... anyone going to get spore tomorrow, now ammusment park is delayed?

Posted on 08.30.08 04:25 AM by spammer4life

Without being yelled at by anyone I actually would like to thank Travis for reconsidering the trophy achievments.
Im one of those players thats OK at the game but I am not legendery (in fact Im not even that good to be honest)
I enjoy PAIN and I can understand why delays occur (I am not going to complain, trust me) I always believe good things come to those that wait Smile

With everyone complaining I would really like to see them in your shoes Travis, see how they react and cope with your job... I bet its not easy (sometimes)

And a question.... with the Testers, you say they have to play each mode, each character and have to obtain every medal when testing before sign off.......that to me seems mind boggling.
Im rambling now, gotta go to work

Bring on 9/11 ....... 7 days to go Smile

Posted on 08.30.08 04:31 AM by a_Berserker

My friends and I play this game every weekend for at least 5hrs. We have played every mode so many times we had to start making our own rules. I was throwing a party this Friday in honor for the new pain level. This is lame. We will still play this weekend and we will still be super drunk, but! we are going to be less entertained. When pain was first released there wasn't a lot of competition on the ps3. Now though you guys really need to step up your game. If it takes this long to get the next level after the amusement park you guys should just make a new game and forget pain because everyone else will. I cherish this game, it's one of my favorites but its getting really hard to defend. I hope you guys have a good weekend.

Posted on 08.30.08 04:32 AM by inkerjay

I havent been vocal on this board in particular, i usually just read, but i'm take the time to post now....I bought pain when it first dropped, played and really liked it, told people about it, recommended it, etc....i've thought people were just being too hard on yall and being spoiled when they complained so much, but now i'm starting to feel their frustration....now it starts to feel like i'm being ripped off....like i've paid damn near 20 bucks for a demo(game, add on characters) and a bunch of empty promises.......why? i've been paying for characters and playing the same level(for the most part) for almost a year now; while at the sametime being promised new content...i understand it takes time for things, and i am a man with patient, but it's only so much a man can take....the main problem is yall will smile, apologize, and say "coming soon", and keep saying that for months and months.....usually coming soon means coming soon, like within a month or 2.....i mean, yall had a billboard stating amusement park coming soon when the game dropped, and its been almost a year...to add to that, when the new content does drop, i'm have to pay full price for it even though it hasnt come out on time like promised....there's no discount to say we're sorry....at least some of these new characters should be free, instead of us paying $1(or more for special ones)as a way of yall saying "thank you for your loyality and patient"......i hope i was able to get my frustration across respectfully.....with that said, yall keep doing what yall do, i like pain, it's fun as hell....and even though i havent played in awhile, i cant wait to play in the new park......peace...

Posted on 08.30.08 04:45 AM by lutha

YAY!

Im soo glad that you are so concerned as to what we think. This is one of the only boards that i feel like what im saying is actualy being read by the guys who make the game.

Bring on 9/11 ....... 7 days to go Smile

Posted on 08.30.08 04:52 AM by Mudrucker

Thanks for the honesty.. too bad it isn't coming out tomorrow. But, I'll still definitely be picking this up next week.

Posted on 08.30.08 04:56 AM by Ryan

My son say's "Thanks for lettin me down". That about sums it up

Posted on 08.30.08 04:57 AM by Mikel3332

so does anything come out on the 4th?

Posted on 08.30.08 05:01 AM by Liam

@Travis
You sharing stuff with us makes things great. However, that's only good if you're going to be on time with what you say. It seems to be just a loop of lateness. Ya feel me?

Posted on 08.30.08 05:14 AM by MutilatRJuggalo

sorry, its been a few days....

@Travis..
Hey man, how you doing? You ok? Yeah your ok. LOL I was up this morning, and I came on here just to see what was going on like usual. When I saw the heading BAD NEWS and read on, I just shook my head and rolled my eyes.
I was going to be one of the 1st one's to post my comments right after you posted your message, but when I started typing out my message, I stopped. I decided to stand back, light a cig, and pack a blunt for my friend here, so I could watch the fireworks explode inside the peanut gallery. Hey, I told ya I love death, destruction, misery and carnage.

While I can't say I am shocked by the delay, deep down I hoped it would be released tomorrow and that all the bugs etc., were worked out. Not cause I am living on the edge dying to play this mode, like most everyone else. But just so most of the impatient snappa heads here would be off your back, and cut the shit with their continually repeated comments, cause God forbid it was delayed again, the world would end, and their days and lives would be ruined.
I can't say I am really disappointed either. Well, actually, with your recent comments, like the ones a few days ago, I do agree with some of the posts that you did not mention or even the possibilites for a delay. So in that respect I am disappointed.
And all because of trophies? Hey, winning a trophy by completing certain tasks, finding treasures(Uncharted) etc., is kinda cool. But I think it it's crock. Just to copy X-Crap Live? Hey, wowee, look at this guy, he got all the trophies for Uncharted WOW! HE MUST BE AWESOME!..Come on...lol..Hey wow, this guy bowled a 300..shit, I bowled 5 real 300's in league's and tournements.. I got my 300 ring, my 800 series ring..Ooooh..Joy
If someone wants to see what I have done in a game, I should be able to click on Juggz name, able to click on the game I am curious about, and see his profile where it shows ex: PAIN- 95 % completion and show what is NOT completed., or just be able to see what trophies he has gotton in game, like we have now when we play it. MENU-Trophies..see them
Uncharted: 95% completion-missing 5 treasures...I don't wanna see 60 friggan trophies...Nor do I wanna spend 30 minutes going through all his accomplishments for EVERY single game he has played, but hey, that's me.
Finally, Travis, and everyone else.. you know how much I have supported you, backed you, defended you and so on. But your comments from a couple of days ago, you did not give us 1 inclanation that something was amidst, or possibly wrong.
Now if you said, "Hey gang, AP IS DONE!, Now it is in the hands of the Q.A Dept., so it should, SHOULD be released as scheduled this Thursday! The only way it won't be out is unless they find a major problem that everyone here has missed, but doubt it because we have been extremely thourough."
Some would be pissed, some would not. But as I have said before,a few others as well, and you said yourself.. you can't win, EVER!
If it is delayed..snapfest.. If you don't fill us in on what's going on..snapfest..If you give a time/date and it's months down the road..snapfest... if Sony has you working on something more vital at the moment...snapfest....if you give a date/time frame and miss it..snapfest.. If you don't give a date/time frame...snapfest...If you release it with bugs..its a snapfest on why you released it with bugs...If you don't release it because you tell us, your working on getting the bugs out..snapfest...lol..
BUt after all this, i still respect ya, stil think your cool, and still thankful for letting us know what's up, and asking us for ideas, and implementing them...
Just please PLEASE be MORE CAREFUL WITH YOUR POSTINGS AND HOW THEY ARE WORDED ..LOL...

Here to Eternity,
Haskell

Posted on 08.30.08 05:39 AM by Hello Hello

"By the way, TedSallis...... im quoting now.

"I've already seen 9/11 tossed out there as the next possible date. Wow, so wrong on so many levels. Leave the significance of that particular date aside, What if you can't hit that date for some reason?"

Even bringing up 9/11 in that respect with regards to a game puts you in line for #1 Doosh in the Universe award.

Posted on 09.03.08 13:16 PM by MoltenKevlar
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When you say 9/11 don't people always think "Hey isn't that the date the Amusement Park level comes out for PAIN?"

Ah whatever. As long as there is a trophy for #1 Doosh in the Universe when it does ship I'll be happy.

Posted on 08.30.08 05:54 AM by TedSallis

Hope that the Amusement Park will be free

Posted on 08.30.08 06:12 AM by Xenios

one day!!

Posted on 08.30.08 06:27 AM by javier

By the by.....

I'm sure all the seasoned veterans know full well about this but im forced to find the nuances to this game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBJYDV6t-mc

Posted on 08.30.08 06:29 AM by MoltenKevlar

In the future you may not want to use definite phrases. Say something such as, " We are aiming for around the 4th of Sept." We seem to only outburst as a crowd when SPECIFICS are not met.

It would be great to have a surprise every so often on a thursday, when I get home from work, and there is new Pain content available!

Rough Dates will suffice I feel.
Randomness is Awesome!

To Err is human. This leaves plenty of room for improvement. A better opportunity to impress.

Best of Luck to you All.Peace.

Posted on 08.30.08 06:42 AM by Sephex

shame on delay, but i think making the trophies bit easyer is great imo.
that trophy for 100 million is that in one go or in total or what.
if its in one go i dont see many getting or least me anyway best i've had is about 2 million

Posted on 08.30.08 07:01 AM by eddieedwards

We should get comped somehow. How about a FREE new character. It doesn't have to be a big fancy vibrant character, but like how about Grandma or something that you already created. I'm getting tired of the wait also. I like the game and all, but its been ages since there's been new content.

Posted on 08.30.08 07:08 AM by kitfisto007

I'm happy about the trophies, because I will finally be able to get them, but I really am sad about the release date. I also really want PAINLabs and the new characters, but I can wait a week. But I really hope it's worth the wait, and I think it will be with Idol Minds behind it. Keep up the good work, guys, and next time go with estimates!

Posted on 08.30.08 07:10 AM by TheMyTMonarch

@travis, i'm so glad you're thinking about us average players. the retooled trophies look much better.

p.s. when you all at idol minds are brainstorming on new characters, can we maybe get a cool puerto rican character in the future.

@Everyone, i found a couple of cool glitches in pain that i uploaded, don't know if they happened to anyone else:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm47Xm5567Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWFHH_cn7o

Posted on 08.30.08 07:13 AM by hunter316

I can't believe this bullshit man. All for these stupid ass trophies. Its plague of useless bullshit started my Microsoft and their worthless ass achievements. People are so pathetic....winning videogame trophies....get lives you losers. Its all your fault this is delayed again.

Posted on 08.30.08 07:16 AM by RAMY

pathetic

Posted on 08.30.08 07:24 AM by qb2bTheReaper

-From the Merriam-Weber dictionary:

trophy-Something gained or given in victory or conquest

victory-achievement of mastery or success in a struggle or endeavor against odds of difficulties

achievement-a result gained by effort

Posted on 08.30.08 07:32 AM by qb2bTheReaper

really really disappointed your not the only one that says updates will be out on a certain date. Then all of a sudden, they won't be out until later. I don't see why ppl that makes games tell u one thing and then oops sorry it will be another date. Why don't u guys just work on things then when u says it going to be out on a date it won't change it will be out. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Now i feel better Smile

Posted on 08.30.08 07:33 AM by 91st-quiteman

Jeez, what a bunch of babies. PAIN is awesome fun guys. I look forward to the updates as they become available.

Posted on 08.30.08 07:52 AM by The_Squad

@Slarrg: I would feel inclined to address you in a more cordial way had you taken your loss on our first “encounter” where you so smugly pointed out that there were no normal PAIN boards when they were there before your message. You see when you are wrong you don’t admit it… and therefore you get my ire and nothing else. You sir are a blog troll. No matter how eloquent you are you are still a troll. So feel free to post. I won’t validate your existence by answering you anymore. You honestly have no clue what it takes to do what I do and therefore your accusations are not only wrong they are unworthy of a thoughtful response. I take responsibility for my errors. You on the other hand hide under the bridge until something you feel righteous about complaining about happens.

Good day sir.

@BigP: I do what I can. Heh


@SaturnNeo: Zombie is coming. When he is done I will post an image.


@FoolKiller: Well some modifications in info sharing will be done but by and large the flow of info won’t fundamentally change. I wish I could hasten the process of getting code out to you but just as I have to do my job the QA guys have to do theirs as well.


@Fireman: When I read your post I was checking my office for webcams. I’m not saying blame me. I think you should. I just like to put it all in perspective is all. I did what I did for what at least I believe is the “greater good” bugs aside I believe I made the right choice.


@Micha: Anything is possible. There’s no way to predict what can happen in the future. When I give a date I am running about 90-95% sure it will happen. When it doesn’t it’s because I have done all I can and have exhausted all my options. In Idol Minds defense they were all about changing the trophies to make them more realistic.


@Bloodfrost: I don’t want people to come here and be frustrated. I’m not going to help build the community that way. The past few months have been very stressful for me because there are so many things we are doing at once that PAIN has gotten to be a huge beast internally. And you’re right as soon as it comes out people will chill out. As soon as they are done I’ll be ready. The PAINLabs will be a nice stop gap until we say what’s next.


@lamplitersniper: Thanks I think it’s better too. I think people will appreciate realistic goals and not ones that force you to be a PAIN guru.


@Terwallace: Thanks. The PAIN party will be better for it.


@MoltenKevlar: That’s my job… /BIG SIGH


@Deadhead: I don’t think it really matters when I would have said this it wouldn’t have made the news better. I hope my balls are where I left them. When I get my final report form Format QA I will post it. Then I will go from 90% sure we are launching to 100%


@John: Yeah the body blows hurt but I think the ends justify the means.


@Leetfoo: Yes the trophies are retroactive but some will require you to at least flip the bit once. Like Dude Abides. If you have more than 50 strikes you will need to get at least one more to flip the bit. One of the reason the scores were so high was because we knew most of you guys had these cumulative scores that were so high as soon as you do one thing you’re trophies will start dinging all over the place. OH WELL. That’s life. Consider that vindication for playing PAIN so much.


@Beserker: Seldom do people really care how you make the donuts. They just want the donuts. I can understand that. I’m the same way with things I don’t make or manage. I don’t expect people to be otherwise. I always take my beatings. It’s the least I can do.


@Inkerjay: I agree on the step up part. I hope AP and PAINLabs represent a step up.


@Lutha: I don’t control pricing my man. That’s not my area. I only “make the donuts” However there are things that I can do make up for that development wise. So stay tuned for that.


@Mikel: Dang now even the sons of my customers are taking shots. Tell your son I’M SORRY! Wow… That’s harsh yall.


@Mudrucker: I really did take the trophy goals to heart. I wonder will people appreciate it after AP is out. We shall see.


@Juggs: Yes, I do. Look dude I am not mad at you for expressing how you feel. I feel you should be heard. Even if its HATE. Like I said I take my beatings.


@Haskell: As open as I am to you guys you have to also realize I am a Sony Employee. There are reasons I can say things and when I can say them. If it were up to me I would spill the beans on a lot of things. I just can’t. Now as far wording everything carefully that’s a double edged sword. You see the informalness of this place makes it somewhat fun. If I edit myself too much you guys will notice the change. I will be more careful but if everyone insist on picking my posts apart then the meaning of them will be lost entirely.


@Sephex: Next week is looking pretty good.


@Eddie: The point total is cumulative. You don’t have to make it all in one go.

@Ramy: Seriously dude people play games for different reasons. I can see you being upset but I don’t think your reasons for playing games should be any more noble than anyone else’s.


PHEW!

Posted on 08.30.08 07:58 AM by travis williams

@TRAVIS-First, I just want to say that I'm not too upset about the delay. I've got other games to play, or I could even play D-Town some more, it still keeps me plenty entertained. I'm also not really that upset about you waiting until the day before, to drop the bomb. I am, however, EXTREMELY disappointed that you decided to make the trophies less impressive. I'm not even that big on trophies but heres my point:
To quote, you said "I felt like the trophies we were going to release were too hard for the average Pain player to get anything."
AVERAGE!?
Why, on sweet baby Jesus' green Earth would ANYONE, for ANY reason in the history or future of mankind, EVER be rewarded a trophy for being AVERAGE!?

Its the principle of the thing.

I don't ever remember earning stickers in school for getting a C.
Speaking of C, this makes me almost as upset as the time I found out The Cookie Monster now only eats a REASONABLE amount of cookies. We are creating a soft youth, who will become soft adults. But I guess C is good enough for you.

Pathetic...just pathetic.


Posted on 08.30.08 08:00 AM by qb2bTheReaper

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